Monday, 19 May 2008

YouTube Post 8: Social Networking Proves Pat Condell a Liar and hypocrite.

Pat Condell finally got around to launching his new website, and, as I thought, he has made more of an effort to promote his atheist wares with his revamp.  His FAQ section made good reading though, especially the bit which says:-
I don't support any political party, especially not one of the far right.
Well, that got me thinking.  I realised that although Condell claims not to support 'far right' (yes, I mean the BNP) political parties, we can't actually see this for ourselves because he hides his friend list from public viewing.

And this is where social networking comes in.  YouTube is a social networking tool, it lets like-minded people connect, exchange ideas, and meet in the virtual world.  By looking through the friends or subscription list of Pat Condell, we could get a real flavour of his mindset.  But we can't do that because he hides his friends and subscriptions away.  Why is that?

Luckily, there are other people who don't hide who they are friends with.  People like bnprenaissance, EnochPowell2008 and 1kewldude3. All of whom are 'friends' with Pat Condell, and all of whom support the BNP.  Through these and other YouTube users it is easy to see that Pat Condell is deeply embedded into the social network of the BNP party, and my 8th YouTube video will take you through the evidence.

The only way Pat Condell can deflect this damning evidence is to show us his entire friend list, and show us that his network of friends extends beyond BNP supporters and their friends.


74 comments:

Anonymous said...

you obviously don't understand how adding friends works. If someone wants to be Pat Condell's friend, I'm sure he doesn't conduct extensive research as to what polictical party they subscribe to, etc.

If someone wants to be Pat Condell's friend (which I'm sure a ton of people want to...), then Condell just has to assume these people have similar beliefs. Having access to his "friend list" will prove NOTHING!

KafirHarby said...

I never took Pat serious, but now I see that people make a big thing of it, I must change my mind. Pat is a heroe, and that hurts isn'it? Can I say that?

Anonymous said...

This man ought to be hailed a hero. Anyone who stands up to muslims ought to be praised, not criticized. All muslims are the enemy of humanity! Treat them as such.

DrMaxtor said...

I think this video is a bit too much for the limited attention span of primitive racists like the 3 neo-nazis who posted before me. Notice that these cockroaches did not address the content of the video. Condell can easily engage friend block to keep BNP scum at bay, but he wont. He knows very well what kind of crowd his rubbish attracts: militant atheists, anti-immigration nuts, primitive euro-fascists, zionist etc. The "flange" character has been suspended several times, one of his old profiles used to have "killallarabs@hotmail.com" as his email. Not-so-strange bedfellows.
Thanks for dropping by my blog, I'll be sharing my thoughts on the fake immigration "debate" in Europe in the near future, inshallah.

Anonymous said...

"This man ought to be hailed a hero. Anyone who stands up to muslims ought to be praised, not criticized. All muslims are the enemy of humanity! Treat them as such."

Its really sad that such people think they are superior; when their comments only serve to show their ignorance and intolerance and they make a mockery of no one but themselves. I feel real pity for you, man.

Anonymous said...

Pat Condell is far from a racist, he just has an argument that perhaps some aspects of religous life are perhaps a little primitive for humans in the year 2008 and he is using provocative comedy to relay a point.

DrMaxtor said...

Asalam Aliakum,
Saw your latest youtube video on the BNP, it was excellent. For the BNP scum who repeated the lie about Jews and Christians being called "apes and pigs" in the Qur'an, Go here and see their deception destroyed :

http://drmaxtor.blogspot.com/2007/10/judeofascist-awareness-week-day-3.html

To the anonymous fellow before me,
There seems to be plenty of racist primates who try to pass their bigotry off as "comedy." Comedy requires one to actually be funny. George Carlin was an atheist and extremely funny, Condell isn't fit to polish his shoes. Pat should drop the charade and go about his duties as the BNP's latest mascot.

dink said...

Asalam Aliakum? What the hell is that? Is that how you call your camels for good morning or what? But you're right about Condell - he's not funny. He scares me. B/c he says what's really going on in Europe. And this is damn scary.

DrMaxtor said...

Dink, your stupidity precedes you. Asalam Aliakum means "peace be to you," real threatening ain't it? Pat is a genius to anybody with IQ of horse manure which explains his popularity amongst Euro-trash. Sad commentary for a continent of aging losers and neo-nazi gutter snipes with no future.

PS - I don't own a camel, but it would be a great investment considering that camels are infinitely more intelligent then the average Condell fan. Do check out my pleasant thoughts on your species at my blog.

dink said...

I know very well what Asalam Aliakum means but still it doesn't fit in this continent's values. We simply don't want your "peace". You flooded Europe as a cheap workforce for simple jobs and that's all you can do (except for blowing up bombs which is still not very demanding). Pat is right - you're abusing such values as free speech and social benefits for poor to build your own power. And he's doing a great job waking ppls up. We're really fed up with you, your Quran, Allah and all your "wise thoughts" dated ages ago. And if you don't like us, too - just grab your wives and kids and simply get back where you belong. Noone will cry for you, I promise.

Anonymous said...

DrMaxtor said...

<<"Asalam Aliakum,
Saw your latest youtube video on the BNP, it was excellent. For the BNP scum who repeated the lie about Jews and Christians being called "apes and pigs" in the Qur'an, Go here and see their deception destroyed :

http://drmaxtor.blogspot.com/2007/10/judeofascist-awareness-week-day-3.html">>

Looks as if you haven't read the Qur'an. Here are a few quotes from the Qur'an on the issue:

Qur’an 5:59 “Say: ‘People of the Book! Do you disapprove of us for no other reason than that we believe in Allah, and the revelation that has come to us and that which came before?’ Say: ‘Shall I point out to you something much worse than this by the treatment it received from Allah? Those who incurred the curse of Allah and His wrath, those of whom He transformed into apes and swine.”

Qur’an 2:64 “But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers.  So become apes, despised and hated. We made an example out of you.”

Qur’an 33:26 “Allah made the Jews leave their homes by terrorizing them so that you killed some and made many captive. And He made you inherit their lands, their homes, and their wealth. He gave you a country you had not traversed before.”

Qur'an 59:14 “The Jews are devoid of sense. There is a grievous punishment awaiting them. Satan tells them not to believe so they will end up in Hell.”


Qur’an 4:55 “Sufficient for the Jew is the Flaming Fire!

Qur’an 5:82  “You will find the Jews and disbelievers [defined as Christians in 5:73] the most vehement in hatred for the Muslims.”

Qur’an 2:59 “We sent a plague upon the Jews from heaven, for their evil-doing.”


Qur’an 2:64 “But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers. You know that you have broken the sanctity of the Sabbath, so We said: ‘Become monkeys despised and hated.’ We made this punishment an example and a warning for those who fear Allah.”

Qur’an 59:6 [b]“What Allah gave as **booty to His Messenger,** He has taken away from the Jews. Allah gives His Messenger Lordship over whom He will. Whatever booty Allah has given to Muhammad and taken away from the (Jewish) people of the townships, belongs to Allah and to His Apostle.”

____

There are dozens more of such hateful passages.

What other prophet preaches that he gets one fifth of the war booty?

Cassandra

Anonymous said...

To all the Islam apologists, you are the equivalent of Constable Bar-Brady in South Park with his hilarious "nothing to see here" comments. Love your Tacquiya efforts but Condell, like the populace in South Park, like the rest of us can see the obvious. Condell just articulates what we all KNOW.

Anonymous said...

I don't think Pat is funny, I just think he is terrific. By the way, more and more people are listening to him and they are starting to think... I do hope that scares you.

TheTruthHurts said...

Ha Ha Ha Dr Maxtor - How does it feel to be proved so very wrong!!!!!

For too long the leftist Liberal culture terrorists have been chiping away at English heritage & culture. Forcing us, under the banner of "Multiculturalism/Political correctness", to give in to the demands of these invading minorities and actually reshape our nations identity and ideals.

Pat scare's people like yourself because deep down you know he's right, and as much as you don't like it, you know more and more people are waking up to this fact.

For you to link Pat to Right wing/Nazi political organizations should be investigated by the police as a Libelous slur.

In an age where religious bigots are attempting to hijack free progressive/rational thought (RE: Creationism) we need people like Pat so we can all keep some sort of grasp on reality.

God does not exist, if you don't agree then prove it!!!!!

You'll push and push and push, milk our social schemes dry, rape our women, sell drugs to our school children, preach hate against the British people until we've finally had enough.........Then all those that condemned Enoch Powell will know he was right.

Only once these medievil peadophile followers are banished from Europe will we know.......Peace.

dink said...

this discussion takes ages. they must be really slow-thinkers or, which is even fancier, nobody cares what they have to say :-)

DrMaxtor said...

Wow, the flood gate of stupidity has been opened. Atheists once again prove that atheism is the opium of European idiots and nihilists.
Dink, I've addressed your ignorant nonsense before, try something new. Who's stopping you poor, poor Europeans from working hard and having babies? No one. You're a bunch of racist loafers which is why you spend all your time wrapped in conspiracy theories about immigrants then getting off your fat pimply behinds. This is the reason your governments let immigrants in to keep your economies afloat.
As for the other anonymous retard(s), you haven't proven anything then your utter inability to formulate a proper argument. Speaking of pedophilia, seems to be all the rage amongst Europeans, regardless of belief. Typical of the continent which has birthed ever criminal and perverted ideology known to man.
How amusing, atheists(most of whom have no understanding of science, so drop the pretense) fools relying on youtube videos and old refuted medieval European Chirsitan polemic to "own" Muslims(the same people whose science and enlightenment dragged you neanderthals out of caves).
Brush up on your history, Nazis.

whypatcondellisntfunny said...

Apologies to all. I don't check comments everyday which is why I'm slow to publish them. I'll not usually censor anything, but I reserve the right to do so if somebody gets out of line!

dink said...

DrMaxtor: you see - we have better ways to spend time than flooding neighbourhood with horrifying offspring. 2.2 kids/family rate is just enough for replacing members of society. Your rate far above but the quality is what they lack. In your countries it's ok to have 6 or 7 b/c half of it just dies before can reproduce. Here in Europe the death rate is minimal and we don't need more than 3. And you're using (and abusing) the advantage of Western healthcare combined with your usual way of life. Maybe it's your idea of happiness to have bunch of poor and uneducated kids around. Ours is not. We like our kids with university degrees not yours - crowded around kebaps or shishas.

DrMaxtor said...

More chaff from the Polish(many of whom are uneducated immigrants in Western Europe) idiot known as dink. Your attempts at teaching statistics 101 is as laughable as your shisha and kebab fantasies. A "minimal death rate" doesn't equal working adults. that's because you have so many elderly who are no longer an active part of the work force.
One of the reasons many of you Nazi clowns don't have kids is because you're less fertile then hamsters. I'm afraid its not going to be a White world any longer.
But part of me does hope that immigration is stopped, then we can watch your banana republic economies crash one after the other.

PS - Joerg Haider was sent to hell over the weekend. A good Nazi is a dead one.

Anonymous said...

Pat Condell just speaks the truth, and a friends list in u tube proves nothing. Go and practise ur stupid superstition at home, or go back to ur desert. I don´t like nationalists and racists either, but that doesn´t change the fact that Condell is just dead right with evberything he says about any religion and especially about islam. Don´t get me wrong, if someone feels the need to pray to a big stone in his yard, I don´t care, I even pass him a piloow to have it mor comfortable on his knees, but he shouldn´t try to convince (or even force) me to pray to that stone, too, under the threat of eternal damnation or being stoned on the spot. And that´s what it´s about, so, get it and shut up!

Anonymous said...

This blog is a waste of time....so what if Pat says he doesn't support the right wing and then he joins the BNP? Contradictory, as we can all be if we want to. Doesn't make him less admirable for appealing fearlessly to the atheist in many of us that also are tired of religious hypocrisy!

whypatcondellisntfunny said...

It seems that 'Anonymous' above is fine with hypocrisy from Atheists, but cannot abide hypocrisy from theists.

Hypocritical?

I'll let the reader be the judge of that.

dink said...

oh, and how about the latest muslim showdown in Bombay? the only good thing about it is the way indian government played it out - no mercy for terrorists even at the cost of hostages' lifes. pity but I see no other way if it comes to such things...

DrMaxtor said...

Poor desperate "dink" now down to scrapping off the Mumbai attacks. How pitiful. Atheists are just as stupid and disingenuous as ever in their shallow attempts at approaching any subject related to religion, politics, and history.
Sorry my dear moron, but the attacks are still under investigation and strongly point to the way of false flag attacks.
Try reading the news instead of going off headlines, you racist triploid mutant. The devil lies in the details as they say.

hellosnackbar said...

@Dr Maxtor,
You seem to use all the features attributed to fallacious argument;
1 Argument from authority (dink and co couldn't care less what's in the
Koran ie to them it's a worthless reference).
2Strawman:paraphrasing your opponent's arguement in such a way that you can dismiss it as worthless.
3Ad hominem attacks in which you castigate your opponent with insult.
4Foundational base:
you clearly believe in a mythical man in the sky as a basis
for your attack when there is no evidence(look there's an ad -hominem) I could go on but I'm bored.

DrMaxtor said...

Sadly you're a victim of your own stupidity "hellosnacker." Lovely name btw, did you come up with that by yourself? Good job cutting and pasting definitions, now the question if you can spot them in virtually all your attempts to make a argument. Dink and the rest of you white nationalist types(atheism is just a convenient charade) are really fooling yourselves. You're good at projecting your fantasies on other people, a legend in your own mind you are - small mind, hard heart, totally bereft of any honesty.
As far as fairy tales are concerned keep reading those tabloids popular amongst white trash types. Do get back to me when you find those WMDs.

Anonymous said...

Maxtor, you appear to be rabidly pro islam, which highlights one of two possibilities.
(1) Either you're ignorance of the stated objectives of islam, or
(2) you're lying just to promote your own views.

Religion is as much needed anywhere in the world as a turd in a swimming pool. Pat Condell goes one step further, and shows the 'faithful' the reasons why.
Your opposition to free thinkers and the dissemination of their views says a lot about your mindset.

I for one, have no intention of being dominated by a 7th century (or earlier) mindset.

FACTSDESTROYATHEISTS said...

Generic Anonymous Retard, you appear to be a rabid islamophobe which highlights one of two possibilities.

1)Your too stupid to actually study the facts about the subjects which you havn`t the faintest clue of (hence the reason why your an atheist that resort to tabloids and mainstream bollocks for info).

2)Your another gutter-trash fascist supporter of the far-right hence the reason why you have pats balls smothered all over your face.

"I for one, have no intention of being dominated by a 7th century (or earlier) mindset."

The irony of this statement is that you were already born with a mindset that pre-dates baboons hence the reason why your just another mentally handicapped generic, atheist tosser.

dink said...

Dear FACTSDESTROYATHEISTS

know what? to be an atheist you need two things: balls to stand against such pricks like you and brains to figure out how to put religious dimwits to some useful work.

oh, I understand that with some gray pulp you have behind your eyes is really hard to imagine how this universe really works, so you took an easy way to believe in some supernatural gay ...ooops... slip of fingers :-) I meant GUY with 77777 veils over his face to protect believers from being blinded (won't Ray-Ban do that?), to follow rules from a book written by ancient smart-ass just for one reason - to control stupid people, because uh... there are so many of them and to believe in miracles, prophets and all this kindergarten stuff. Ok! It's a free world. Or at least it should be, so believe what you want. But please don't preach this bullshit bc you insult anyone with brains. just stop it, ok?

FACTSDESTROYATHEISTS said...

Dear dink (fitting name for a dickless, euro-nazi spastic).

On the contrary its the absent of balls and human thought that makes a militant atheist. Having Pat condells sweaty right-wing gonads smothered all over you face doesn`t mean you have balls either. No wonder you`re constantly bitching about high birth-rates amongst immigrants as its out of envy of a euro-nazi that has a dysfunctional reproductive system.


You should save yourself looking anymore dumber than you already are by stop pretending to understand how the universe works as you couldn`t even seperate your head from your arse (which is common amongst generic, fascist, atheist tossers).

This will be a free world when tossers filled with double standards like yourself cease to exists.

PS: I wouldn`t waste my time preaching anything to a generic atheist tossers like yourself since impotent baboons like you dink can barely comprehend anything beyond the retarded cartoons filled in your head that you call your own thoughts.

Anonymous said...

FactsDestroyAtheists you little bitch! Atheists are smarter than you. You resort to the tired old religious tactic of calling us monkey-related names, such as "baboons"; You stupid cunt. Little do idiots like you know, atheists, or at leasts atheists who follow the Modern Theory Of Evolution DON'T ACTUALLY BELIEVE that man came from monkeys, so you can cut that shit out right there. Go ahead and call me a "retarded generic anonymous cunt" because the ability of atheists to express their beliefs freely annoys you so much. Bitch!

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whypatcondellisntfunny said...

OK. Things have got out of hand and I've removed a few posts. If you want to let out some pent up aggression, take it somewhere else please, that goes for everybody, atheist or theist. I don't want to waste my time moderating comments so if this carries on I'll probably just stop allowing comments.

This is a place for an honest and open debate, perhaps even some bridge-building, if you don't want to be a part of that please go elsewhere.

Anonymous said...

Plonker. I have many friends who are raving feminst liberals. I can assure you that that does not make me a raving feminst liberal.

Rod elliot

whypatcondellisntfunny said...

@ Rod elliot - huh? Did you post that in the right place?

dink said...

yes, he did. you started discussion around the fact that Pat is on the lists of some racist/BNP-affiliated guys and he's hiding his friend-list from public viewing b/c (according to your opinion) he got sth. to hide (i.e. some 'bad guys' on the list). So Rod means that having friends (even in real life) doesn't make you share all their views and beliefs. I got myself a couple of friends who are catholic but it doesn't make me catholic. I just tolerate their ewww... mental bias and like them for quite other reasons.

whypatcondellisntfunny said...

Ah. Thanks dink. I understand now.

My point is that Condell is not "on the list" of BNP members. My video clearly proves that he has accepted friendship from people who overtly support the BNP, an organisation which he says he does not support. Further to that, he does not accept friendships from those who have BNP logos, but is fine if you just have text which says "I'm here to promote the BNP" or something to that effect.

In other words, as long as you don't make it too obvious that you support the BNP on your profile, he will happily become your friend.

The flip side is that he claims to have support from many Muslims and yet not one of them has come out in support of him on YouTube, unlike the BNP itself who use his videos on the BNP website.

Condell is making claims which are contradicted by any rational study of the facts - he willingly accepts members of the far right BNP as friends whilst claiming that he abhors the BNP and making repeated reference to hating fascism, whilst at the same time having no Muslim friends visible on YouTube and yet claiming that he has many Muslim supporters.

If Condell had both BNP and Muslim friends I could almost swallow it, but he doesn't, and he seeks to actively hide this fact from us. So you see, it isn't just that he has BNP friends, it is a combination of multiple factual observations which draw me to a rational conclusion in the absence of any other compelling evidence.

FACTSDESTROYATHEISTS said...

Wow! Looks like I`ve missed the party. Feel better now that you`ve got that off your chest Mr generic atheist who posted on 14 February 2009 07:56?

You assert your smarter than me yet with your last post you`ve only shown yourself to be a moron. Theres no point debating what your beliefs in evolution are as they may differ from what another atheist may believe about evolution hence the inconsistency in your theories.

I dont know exactly what you meant by religious tactic but I do regret comparing people like you to a baboon as baboons havn`t done anything bad to be degraded and insulted like that.

You should save yourself looking anymore idiotic than you already have by stop making mindless, empty assertions because the fact is that the theist to freely express and preach their beliefs annoys you atheists more, not the other round and Pat condell and his mindless followers like yourself have boldly expressed how much they`d like to see that taken away from us whether you like to admit it or not.

Also why waste words writting utterly pointless drivel like "Go ahead and call me a retarded generic anonymous cunt", was that an attempt to formulate a proper arguement (which I understand is quite difficult for idiots like you).

FACTSDESTROYATHEISTS said...

"Plonker. I have many friends who are raving feminst liberals. I can assure you that that does not make me a raving feminst liberal"

Thats proberly because you not female rod idiot.

Also last time I checked feminist liberals are not white supremacist that spew hateful propaganda against a particular race or religion nor do they pass off such indecency as comedy in order to promote their agenda, so basically your half-arsed attempt to justify Pat for having BNP supporting friends fail!

Anonymous said...

Pat Condell is the worst kind of racist - a closet racist.

All he does on YouTube is affirm prejudices with sophistry.

If he were to ever have his spiel dissected and questioned his bullshit would fall apart in 10 seconds. But on YT he's safe from this.

dink said...

what Pat's commenting are not 'prejudices' but facts that had happened. you may find his opinions a little eee... harsh but they're opinions made to comment _facts_.

Anonymous said...

No FACTSDESTROYATHEISTS, it was not an "attempt to formulate an argument", it was a swipe at your attitude towards people who had posted before; You probably try to blow it off as "mindless drivel" because you realise you have been caught in your actions. I'm not a "mindless" follower of Pat Condell either; I unsubscribed to him a while ago (even before I made my last comment) and I haven't watched his videos regulary since.

Anonymous said...

DRMaxtor go fuck yourself. You speak about europeans in very much the same manner as right-wing ameriCUNTS seem to, calling us gawkish names like "losers" and perverts and all that other shit. Also: "Europe has been the birthing place of perverted ideologies"? Why don't you cry for me some more you little bitch! You're just jealous of of our freedom.

DrMaxtor said...

LoL! Poor "anonymous," looks like the truth is too much for thin skinned hypocritical European racists like yourself. And yes, you're a perverted lot, I mean seriously why in the world would you decriminalize incest? Theres also the matter of gay neo-nazis types like Haider running about. Man, they don't make aryan superman like they used huh?
Go make out with a history book, and get back to me when you find those WMDs, my dimwitted knuckle dragging euro-neanderthal.

DrMaxtor said...

Oh, and anony-clown I forgot to ask what "freedom" are you carping about, Nazi roadkill? Being spied on? Warrant less wiretapping? snooping into peoples emails? Kidnapping people and torturing them at "black sites" in cretinous East European nations? Throwing historians in jail?
Oh yeah, who wouldn't jealous of such "freedom" in fabulous police states...LoL!

Anonymous said...

I had no idea they'd decriminalised incest in Europe. The way you're going on, I guess they don't have incest or any problems at all in the great superpower of jamaica. Go fuck yourself.

Anonymous said...

Also, what "police states" are you talking about? At least make claims that are based in reality.

Anonymous said...

What truth has Pat Condell supplied? He is simply a typical anti-Islam paranoid nationalists. People like him cry about the "evils of Islam" as if Islam is some monolithic religion when, in fact, it's diverse. Most people do not even know that only about 20% of Muslims are Arab. Rather than cry about Islam and its supposed "backward" treatment of women, why don't people like Condell speak out against Western imperialism of the Islamic world (and it is imperialism) or the rape of murder of women and girls by Western forces, including British and American soldiers? Why don't they speak out against torture? Oh no, these things are ok because they're Islamic, they are less than people, and atheists claim they are superior to the religious? More intelligent, rational, reasonable? LOL.

Anonymous said...

I thought Muslims and Nazis usually got on quite well.

Anonymous said...

"my dimwitted knuckle dragging euro-neanderthal."

Who's being racist now?

Anonymous said...

^ Good point Anonymous, fuck these people.

DrMaxtor said...

to all the anony-cowards,

>I thought Muslims and Nazis usually got on quite well.<

No that would be Zionist Jews who call the real shots on neo-Nazi scum. In the past Zionists had a very cozy relationship with the Nazis while Hitler was frying their brethren in gas chambers. Just recently one such Nazi murdered a pregnant Muslim woman in Germany.
That being said a good Nazi is a dead and decomposing one.

>"my dimwitted knuckle dragging euro-neanderthal."

Who's being racist now?<

You are, Nazi crybaby. I calls it as I sees it. Start behaving like a civilized human being and I might just be convinced that you have an IQ above room temperature.

>Good point Anonymous, fuck these people.<

Tsk tsk, such language. I guess its to be expected to bleached Nazi mutant retards who get their hate material from an unfunny youtube clown.
If you can't handle the heat, piss off back to Stormfront or whatever other sewer your inbred triploid asses crawled out from.

Anonymous said...

Pat Condell is great. Well done to him for ignoring all the death threats, telling the truth about religion, and making us laugh.
Dave Catleugh

Anonymous said...

"bleached Nazi mutant retards"

What the hell's that supposed to mean you muslim freak?

Anonymous said...

Seriously dr maxtor, you are a colossal prick. You should go get run over or something, you'd be doing us all a favour, muslim snob.

Anonymous said...

DrMaxtor and the other pro-Islam fascists here dont like irony much.

Never mind that labelling anyone who dares criticise Islam as 'racist' is weak and lazy in the extreme - Islam is not a race, it is an iron age ideology/philosophy aka religion, and calling atheists 'nazis' is equally idiotic - muslims share more in common with nazis (and the palestinian mufti of the 1930s was rather keen on Hitler) with their passionate hatred of Jews and anyone who doesnt agree with them. Cant say Im particularly worried about Richard Dawkins forcing me to do anything I dont want to.

Pat Condell is rubbing salt in Islam's wounds. If muslims are offended by what he says, then it must apply to your views too.

whypatcondellisntfunny said...

Dear Anonymous,

there are so many fallacies in your argument, I hardly know where to begin.

Firstly, Condell is not being ironic. He's being serious. He said as much when he revealed in an interview with The Freethinker that he posted his videos on LiveLeak because it had "a more newsy edge". Why does he need a newsy edge if he is only being an ironic comedian telling jokes we can all laugh at?

With regards to Islam not being a race, I fully agree with you. However, if grouping a set of people together who have a common characteristic (Islam, for arguments sake) and saying that all those people with that particular characteristic are all delusional and/or mysoginistic is not racist, what label would you give it? You your self have said that "Muslims have more in common with Nazis", surely you did not mean all Muslims, because if you did, that would be a form of racism, would it not?

You mention Richard Dawkins in your diatribe, well, I made a post particularly about Dawkins and Condell, here: http://whypatcondellisntfunny.blogspot.com/2008/03/condell-teams-up-with-richard-dawkins.html

In it I call Dawkins an intellectual heavyweight compared to flyweight Condell, I certainly don't begrudge Dawkins his opinion of all religion, in that he clearly doesn't like any religion and does not disproportionately attempt to demonise Muslims over any other theists.

Finally, as my research shows, Condell is clearly confused about who he supports. In the past he claimed on the one hand to not support any political party, but on the other having lots of friends who are active in the BNP, and then coming out this year in support of UKIP, a party that made a manifesto pledge to repeal (not alter, but actually repeal!) the Human Rights Act.

How freethinking of him.

dink said...

'Islam' is not 'common characteristic' like let's say being green-eyed or being left-handed. Being a Muslim is not a random attribute on which you have no influence. It's an act of will (or faith, whatever) which binds you with certain way of thinking & living. And this particular way is not accepted by Condell and more & more others

whypatcondellisntfunny said...

@Dink, I already explicitly agreed that Islam is not a race, therefore you mentioning green eyes or left-handedness is spurious to what I was saying.

My point was that if you seek to label a people with a common characteristic such as Islam (not that being Muslim makes you part of a race) as *all* being delusional, or backwards thinking or mysoginistic is not racist, what label *would* you give it?

It was a question intended to make the reader think about what you would label a person who labels an entire group based upon religion. My personal choice would be "bigot".

So Dink, next time, read what I say before you debate only one of the several points I made, and even then only succeed in doing yourself a disservice.

Is it your position that choosing to become Atheist is *not* an act of will? That it is merely an acceptance of logical facts with no personal judgement required?

Is Atheism not a thought process, which in your own words "binds you with certain way of thinking & living." It seems that way to me. And I'm fine with that, I can handle anybody being Atheist, just don't pretend that being Atheist is the result of anything other than a choice based upon your own personal interpretation of how the world works. In fact, Richard Dawkins appears proud in his book "The God Delusion" that he indoctrinated his kids to think just like him, and at the other end of the spectrum, Condell appears proud that he rebelled against the Catholic school indoctrination of him by his parents.

But human beings are not rational logic machines, and being an Atheist does not make you the sole arbiter of what reason is and is not. Just like how being Muslim does not make me the sole arbiter of reason or law or truth or religious interpretation.

skydog said...

''How amusing, atheists(most of whom have no understanding of science, so drop the pretense) fools relying on youtube videos and old refuted medieval European Chirsitan polemic to "own" Muslims(the same people whose science and enlightenment dragged you neanderthals out of caves).
Brush up on your history, Nazis.''

Brush up on your own ... what a great shame that Arab scholarship and reasoning died a violent death with the birth of Islam. It must irk you that western thinking and invention took off in the Renaissance and has since progressed at an exponential rate. Where do Islamic countries look to for technological innovation? They don't look inwards do they? because Islam stifles reason and free thought, hence they are mired in a mediaeval mindset which prohibits progress and invention. Had Islam not been repulsed at the Gates of Vienna the whole world would now be moving backwards to a stone-age existence of superstition and stasis.

skydog said...

Dr.Maxtor:
to all the anony-cowards,

>I thought Muslims and Nazis usually got on quite well.<

''No that would be Zionist Jews who call the real shots on neo-Nazi scum. In the past Zionists had a very cozy relationship with the Nazis while Hitler was frying their brethren in gas chambers.''

Google SS Handschar Div. Herr Doktor.

Note:I don't go anonymous. I'm easy enough to find if you can use a search engine.

bifutake said...

@skydog: what does hand┼żar division prove by itself? i'm guessing that you're not very familiar with the history of many former yugoslav nations. croatian puppet regime during ww2 considered its muslim population an ally against the serb minority. it actually portrayed them as the 'flower of croathood'. but it was only a result of complex ongoing power struggles and most certainly don't prove any criminal or genocidal character of a particular group based on ethnicity or religion. for goodness sake, there were many croats, serbs, muslims and others who participated in the partisan movement which finally fought-off the fascists (of course, not ignoring the enormous brunt of the soviet red army which made the victory possible)!

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